{"id":1137,"date":"2012-04-11T14:00:28","date_gmt":"2012-04-11T22:00:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/?p=1137"},"modified":"2013-06-28T13:27:45","modified_gmt":"2013-06-28T21:27:45","slug":"from-the-mailbag-april-12","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/from-the-mailbag-april-12\/","title":{"rendered":"From The Mailbag April &#8217;12"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I recently received this email from Joel Patterson (link to his website below), who describes himself as &#8220;the enfant terrible of the recording website Gearslutz&#8221;. \u00a0I&#8217;ll let you read his email and my response is below:<\/p>\n<p><em>Hi Irene,<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Great site! Glad you&#8217;re so willing to help out the neophytes out here.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I&#8217;ve got a question, it goes like this: every so often I will hear a familiar phrase in a &#8220;new&#8221; song, I guess the latest was in the Enrico Iglesias &#8220;I Like How It Feels.&#8221; This may be an ancient song\u2026 I&#8217;m not too exposed to the current scene\u2026 anyway, he weaves the phrase &#8220;ticket to ride&#8221; into his lyric.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Or, whoever wrote the song did, is Enrico a talented guy? A front man for a larger organization? Isn&#8217;t he descended from <a class=\"zem_slink\" title=\"Julio Iglesias\" href=\"http:\/\/www.julioiglesias.com\/\" rel=\"homepage\" target=\"_blank\">Julio Iglesias<\/a>, some kind of star of a previous era? So many questions, so much I don&#8217;t know\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>&#8220;Ticket to ride&#8221; is obviously a quotation from the <a class=\"zem_slink\" title=\"The Beatles\" href=\"http:\/\/thebeatles.com\" rel=\"homepage\" target=\"_blank\">Beatles<\/a>&#8216; tune &#8220;Ticket to ride.&#8221; I am on the fence between thinking this is a heavy-handed, blatantly obvious, cheesy play, and thinking it&#8217;s cool and hip.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>If I were to work the phrase &#8220;rolling in the deep&#8221; into a new, original song, in a way that worked within the song and had a completely different melody from the Adele hit, I&#8217;m just wondering how that would strike you, overall? Cheesy? Hip? What&#8217;s your take?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Thanks!<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Joel Patterson<\/em><br \/>\n<em> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.joelpatterson.us\">www.joelpatterson.us<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Hi Joel,<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;This is a great question! \u00a0First of all, I think timing is everything.\u00a0 If you encompassed \u201crolling in the deep\u201d into a song in the very near future, I would consider it tacky because it would APPEAR to be the use of a phrase in order to draw attention to your own song.\u00a0 You have no idea how many people hit my website using that phrase just because<a title=\"Song Critique &quot;Rolling In The Deep&quot;\" href=\"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/song-critique-rolling-in-the-deep-by-adele\/\" target=\"_blank\"> I did a bit of a critique on Adele\u2019s song<\/a>!\u00a0 So people out there looking for that song lyric, or a discussion or critique of it, would also potentially find any other song containing that lyrical phrase if it was posted on the web.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;As far as Iglesias\u2019 song, either he is trying to be cute or paying homage, or the potential exists (although I doubt it) that he doesn\u2019t know who that phrase \u201cbelongs\u201d to.\u00a0 Whatever the case may be, he\u2019s risking the perception of stealing to some ears.\u00a0 I\u2019ll have to listen to the song so I can put that phrase in context for myself.\u00a0 The fact is, though, that a lot of younger listeners would have no idea that the Beatles had a song with the same name.\u00a0 I think he has a rather large, young and female audience.\u00a0 I checked out some info on the song and it looks like there were 7 writers (some with some pretty odd names!); \u00a0<a class=\"zem_slink\" title=\"Enrique Iglesias\" href=\"http:\/\/www.enriqueiglesias.com\" rel=\"homepage\" target=\"_blank\">Enrique Iglesias<\/a>, Nadir Khayat, Armando P\u00e9rez, Alex Papaconstantinou, Adam Baptiste, Bj\u00f6rn Djupstr\u00f6m, and Bilal The Chef.\u00a0 By the way, I looked through the lyrics and couldn\u2019t find that phrase, so perhaps it is sung in the background?\u00a0 If that\u2019s the case, that\u2019s even more interesting.\u00a0 \u00a0And yes, his father was Julio Iglesias who was a huge star himself.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;But I didn\u2019t give you my personal opinion on the use of a phrase that is so identifiable with another song.\u00a0 And that is, whether they are copyrighted or not, they should be left alone, no matter what their intention.\u00a0 It\u2019s not that a phrase can be owned, it can\u2019t, and neither can a title, but in a song so famous, it more or less has been spoken for.\u00a0 Pun intended :-).<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Not that it\u2019s entirely related, but I once wanted to use the phrase \u201cHarlequin Romance\u201d in a song, and decided against it in the long run\u2026it would have worked perfectly, but I figured I wouldn\u2019t want to take the chance if the song ever got beyond my small community of listeners to have some kind of lawsuit to deal with.\u00a0 Which hasn\u2019t been a worry so far!<\/p>\n<p>Irene&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>As a small postscript to those of you reading this blog<\/strong>, remember I mentioned in my reply to Joel that I couldn&#8217;t see that phrase &#8220;ticket to ride&#8221; from Enrique Iglesias&#8217; song in any of the lyrics people had posted online? \u00a0I went to have a listen to the <a href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/klk8QPcfFYQ\">song on YouTube<\/a> to see if perhaps that line was a background vocal or something, but found that it was in fact in the first verse. \u00a0However&#8230;it looks like the people who posted the lyrics DIDN&#8217;T HEAR IT correctly! The phrase that they heard most commonly was &#8220;I gotta take it to right&#8221; :-). \u00a0Well, that phrase makes no sense at all, but there you go.<\/p>\n<p>So whether or not it&#8217;s an issue for me, obviously the line doesn&#8217;t stand out enough for the young crowd (or whoever is posting lyrics to the more popular lyric websites), for them to even hear it.<\/p>\n<p>And now that you&#8217;ve read my answer to Joel&#8217;s question, readers, do you agree?<br \/>\nWhat&#8217;s your take? \u00a0You can place your comments below \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p><em>IJ<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"zemanta-pixie\" style=\"margin-top: 10px; height: 15px;\"><a class=\"zemanta-pixie-a\" title=\"Enhanced by Zemanta\" href=\"http:\/\/www.zemanta.com\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"zemanta-pixie-img\" style=\"border: none; float: right;\" src=\"http:\/\/img.zemanta.com\/zemified_e.png?x-id=46bdff48-011d-480c-89b2-ecfde22cd717\" alt=\"Enhanced by Zemanta\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I recently received this email from Joel Patterson (link to his website below), who describes himself as &#8220;the enfant terrible of the recording website Gearslutz&#8221;. \u00a0I&#8217;ll let you read his email and my response is below: Hi Irene, Great site! Glad you&#8217;re so willing to help out the neophytes out here. I&#8217;ve got a question, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":11,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[14,255,6],"tags":[243,258,256,259,257,260],"class_list":["post-1137","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-lyrics","category-mail-bag","category-opinion","tag-adele","tag-beatle","tag-enrique-iglesias","tag-i-like-how-it-feels","tag-julio-iglesias","tag-ticket-to-ride"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/prwoq-il","_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1137","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/11"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1137"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1137\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1137"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1137"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/irenejackson.com\/songblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1137"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}